tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post8675454218993817166..comments2024-03-29T06:54:27.720-07:00Comments on Tales From GHQ: Buildings in wargames Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-66884137948995015282024-02-09T12:03:46.968-08:002024-02-09T12:03:46.968-08:00We are on the same journey SteveJ.We are on the same journey SteveJ.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-46417035073274139372022-12-11T04:02:42.033-08:002022-12-11T04:02:42.033-08:00Indeed it is, indeed it is.Indeed it is, indeed it is.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-67397754301304473512022-12-11T04:02:16.889-08:002022-12-11T04:02:16.889-08:00Good to have your endorsement Aly, thanks.Good to have your endorsement Aly, thanks.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-22193604896250941262022-12-11T02:54:06.160-08:002022-12-11T02:54:06.160-08:00I favour 20mm buildings for my 28/30mm wargames as...I favour 20mm buildings for my 28/30mm wargames as I think they look visually more appealing.<br />Having said that for 20mm gaming I use 20mm buildings so go figure, it's a wargamer thing 😀 .<br />Willz.Tiberian generalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12751123635695247896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-33080933509402594412022-12-11T01:31:32.277-08:002022-12-11T01:31:32.277-08:00I am with you on the smaller buildings David… to m...I am with you on the smaller buildings David… to my eye they just look better.<br />I have used 28mm buildings for my 3rd Century Romans as they are intended for big skirmish games… but now looking at them on the table I wished I had used 20mm… maybe I will change them one day.<br /><br />All the best. AlyAly Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12178180028439005095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-79272579636593819682022-12-09T12:13:12.220-08:002022-12-09T12:13:12.220-08:00I concur with all of your observations there David...I concur with all of your observations there David. To begin with I went with buildings that were the same scale as the figures, but quickly realised that a scale down worked perfectly well visually and allowed for a better impression of a BUA. All of my buildings have bases and depending upon the rules, the whole area counts as say Hard Cover, or only where the building sits, which i can remove to show that it is occupied by troops.Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-80214933082961533602022-12-09T10:56:02.489-08:002022-12-09T10:56:02.489-08:00Yes Matt, I've yet to find a convincing church...Yes Matt, I've yet to find a convincing church in a smaller footprint, but matching my scratch built buildings.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-10742304153252131802022-12-09T10:55:02.370-08:002022-12-09T10:55:02.370-08:00I'm with you there Phil.I'm with you there Phil.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-64220610472790965892022-12-09T10:54:23.203-08:002022-12-09T10:54:23.203-08:00The look is the thing, I agree.The look is the thing, I agree.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-56772706990631274802022-12-09T10:53:23.086-08:002022-12-09T10:53:23.086-08:00We seem to have settled on two dice from one build...We seem to have settled on two dice from one building face, mostly.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-87074669071937809862022-12-09T10:52:06.292-08:002022-12-09T10:52:06.292-08:00That's probably true Norm.That's probably true Norm.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-44841711333630835542022-12-09T10:50:23.331-08:002022-12-09T10:50:23.331-08:00Well, that's you sorted then George.😉Well, that's you sorted then George.😉Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985725848702292911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-67116949232227367312022-12-09T02:43:27.452-08:002022-12-09T02:43:27.452-08:00Interesting subject David and like many I have bot...Interesting subject David and like many I have both ends of the spectrum. For my SYW and smaller 6mm collections I go more representative using a square base as a built up area. The buildings then get moved about as the area is occupied etc. the larger 28mm terrain I have is wonderful for Sealion etc… but where it really struggles is with historical representations. Best example here is ACW as it happens where to recreate a battle I find I need much smaller buildings, the building I have used for Shiloh Church is actually a small shed ! It’s tough as I do like the look of the larger buildings. Bigger buildings on bases just doesn’t work due to storage for me. Lastly let’s talk about my 28mm church ! Even though it is actually very small in scale it is enormous and I always struggle to get it on the table !Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-58925354231282582562022-12-09T01:57:40.080-08:002022-12-09T01:57:40.080-08:00As for rules mechanics: I only make use of individ...As for rules mechanics: I only make use of individual doors/windows in true 1:1 skirmish games, such as wild west gunfighting. In any other type of game where units are used, it doesn't make much sense to have rules that work with unit footprints on the one hand, but then go down to individual figures when dealing with buildings (Chain of Command was mentioned ;-)). So, simply abstracting it out and limiting firepower per face of the building is a sensible mechanic, unless the scenario specifically says otherwise for a specific building.Phil Dutréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607941040736764291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-36756100212088153382022-12-09T01:50:07.498-08:002022-12-09T01:50:07.498-08:00Great post.
I use buildings the size that give th...Great post.<br /><br />I use buildings the size that give the best visual impact for the scale of game. E.g. in a skirmish game set *inside* a city, building scale best equals the figure scale. <br /><br />On the other hand, when I want a large battle, sprawled over a large landscape, I use smaller buildings (e.g. 15mm buildings with 25/28mm figures). The smaller buildings help to convey the visual impact of the gaming table being a large battle area, rather than the gardens and orchard around a single 28mm building. BTW, I use the same trick for roads: wider roads for skirmish games, more narrow roads for big battles, even though the figure scale remains the same.<br /><br />In the end, when setting up my table for a game, I always judge everything (buildings, roads, rivers, ...) by the visual impression of the whole. Does it convey the visuals I want to achieve? Phil Dutréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607941040736764291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-33086936435409190442022-12-09T01:03:03.442-08:002022-12-09T01:03:03.442-08:00Coincidentally I'm struggling recenty with the...Coincidentally I'm struggling recenty with the same type of issues in Chain of Command. Being skirmish platoon level the rules takes into account every single window/door in the model and allow 2 figures to fire from each. This is totally unsatisfactory when you have buldings with a full row of windows in all walls and other buildings with full blind sides or maybe one window only. Depending on what you put on the table, the same scenario can have very different outcomes. I have not arrived to a clear solution yet Anibal Invictushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00574972963418062956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-87445942904393424442022-12-08T15:15:05.112-08:002022-12-08T15:15:05.112-08:00 Think for 1:1 tactical type games, scale matching... Think for 1:1 tactical type games, scale matching the figures work fine, so a figure looks correct in a doorway etc, but for everything else, dropping down a scale seems a generally accepted way to go.<br /><br />Since terrain is such a space hogger, having a single scale of terrain to service all games seems useful. To that end, I have settled on 20mm or 1/72 scale buildings. This will give a 1:1 match with my 20mm WWII tactical and a nicer smaller footprint for everything else, which will be 28mm small battle. <br /><br />The hill thing does make me smile because it is so obviously true, yet my eye seems to ignore the problem, but then I know that 18 men are not 600 and that doesn’t seem to matter either (well it might if you are a 48 man regiment sort :-) ).- Perhaps our brains over time (thankfully) override the obvious?Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05031444717952755557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021096045371174446.post-15957500439775269172022-12-08T09:03:02.961-08:002022-12-08T09:03:02.961-08:00Some 28mm buildings do look quite large to me but ...Some 28mm buildings do look quite large to me but I also have a couple which you would struggle to get a table and chairs in. If they look about right that is enough for me and I only have two which kind of bug me on the table. I have also never given ground scale a passing thought and simply took the authors word for it, and so far I have no complaints. I also in the main do not stick to historical units, apart from my ACW collection and the several divisions based on Gettysburg or the large regiments cherry picked from the early war. I have to keep my grey matter reserve for the rules themselves.George Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02622222875110390888noreply@blogger.com